Cancer Articles: Januari 2008

Kamis, 31 Januari 2008

Re: [cancercured] Report on 15g/day of epa/dha reversing sarcoma tumors

At 05:55 AM 1/31/2008, you wrote:
>Hello group;
>Does anyone remember that report from Dr. Ron Pardini that I sent
>out to people requesting it, about the guy who reduced some lung
>tumors by 90% with basically fish oil/algae oil? If you have a copy,
>could you please email me one. I'd appreciate it.
>Sincerely;Blake

Hi Blake,
I have a paper copy of this that I got when I took my aunt to
Vincent's Mango Retreat Center.
It is 9 pages with graphs and photos. Here's the abstract, but you
have to buy the full document.
I can fax you a marked up copy, but some of the print is quite small.
I can't find the full text online.
Yahoo has rules against posting copyrighted material.
Just email me off list. kareneck@att.net

http://www.leaonline.com/doi/abs/10.1207/s15327914nc5202_2?journalCode=nc
Abstract
<http://www.leaonline.com/loi/nc>Nutrition and Cancer
2005, Vol. 52, No. 2, Pages 121-129
(doi:10.1207/s15327914nc5202_2)

Nutritional Intervention With Omega-3 Fatty Acids in a Case of
Malignant Fibrous Histiocytoma of the Lungs

Ronald S. Pardini,
[]
David Wilson,
[]
Steven Schiff,
[]
Stephen A. Bajo,
[]
Randall Pierce
[]

Abstract: We present a case of a 78-yr-old man with malignant fibrous
histiocytoma with multiple lesions in both lungs. Following
diagnosis, he declined conventional chemotherapy and elected
nutritional intervention by increasing intake of omega-3 fatty acids
and lowering intake of omega-6 fatty acids. We estimated that he
consumed 15 g of the long-chain omega-3 fatty acids eicosapentaenoic
(EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) per day, and the ratio of
linoleic acid/long-chain omega-3 fatty acids in his diet was 0.81.
Serial computed tomography scans and pulmonary x-rays revealed
remarkably a slow and steady decrease in the size and number of
bilateral nodules. He has no apparent side effects from consuming
large quantities of fish and algae oils rich in DHA and EPA and he
remains asymptomatic.
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Re: [cancercured] Cancer and Depression

Hi:

You need to rush out and find The Omega 3 Connection by Andrew L. Stoll, M.D. ,Director Psychopharmacology Research Laboratory, McLean Hospital Faculty, Harvard Medical School.

Stoll offers a lot of evidence about Omega-3 being of great benefit in depression control.

Additionally, let me suggest that having cancer is an assault on our body and mind and in due time, when you begin to take control of your own care you will begin to overcome this state of depression. Using the works of people such as Andrew Stoll will help you do this naturally. Try Amazon for a good buy on this book. This could very well be another tool in your battle over cancer as well as giving your brain what it needs to make depression a thing of the past for you.

Good luck,

Joe C.

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[cancercured] Cancer and Depression

In a message dated 1/31/08 9:10:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,
eesc@filipinowebservices.com writes:

> Although I have been in remission for several years lately depression
> > has been one of the major factors in fighting this disease. Other than
> > lack of natural vitamin D, is there some help out there on the board
> > through natural methods.
>

Take the following:

SamE - 400 mg - 600 mg
GABA
St. John's Wort
NAC
Fish Oils
Rhodiola

You will start to feel very very good!

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Start the year off right.
Easy ways to stay in shape.

http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

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Re: [cancercured] Cancer and Depression

Maybe you are lacking in nutritional good fats.

Raw avocados, raw nuts, raw milk, raw coconut meat, raw durian.
You can even get raw fat or cooked fat of organic cows from the fats of
steaks, bone marrow, brain.

albertrhurt wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Although I have been in remission for several years lately depression
> has been one of the major factors in fighting this disease. Other than
> lack of natural vitamin D, is there some help out there on the board
> through natural methods.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Al
>
>

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Re: [cancercured] Report on 15g/day of epa/dha reversing sarcoma tumors

Google has a lot of articles on Ron Pardini, probably just what you
want.

On Jan 31, 2008, at 3:28 PM, Tad Winiecki wrote:

> On Jan 31, 2008, at 5:55 AM, blakeeugenefrederick wrote:
>
>> Does anyone remember that report from Dr. Ron Pardini that I sent
>> out to people requesting it, about the guy who reduced some lung
>> tumors by 90% with basically fish oil/algae oil? If you have a copy,
>> could you please email me one. I'd appreciate it.

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Re: [cancercured] Budwig Diet /was: Meats have toxins

Sandra- Thanks for your reply. I'm still trying to process all the
Budwig protocol info. There are people on this board making claims for
grass fed beef containing CLA, Conjugated Linoleic Acid, as a cancer
fighter, but I know someone on the Flaxseedoil2 group had a relapse in
cancer after eating it daily, so I'm still wondering about that. I
noticed most of the google entries were from beef producers or farmers.

I'm still very much up in the air about fish oils. I'm wondering if
the people who are allergic to dairy for the BP could do well on fish
oils instead, as there wouldn't be a problem with converting the ALA to
EPA and DHA. One site in particular didn't have to fractionally
distill their oil to remove mercury and toxins since it was taken from
very pure waters and scrupulously tested. It also had all the
superfluous oils like oleic acid and palmitic acid that make up the
bulk of most fish oils removed to leave just the omega 3 oils.

I've also been looking at the nutrition data website at the various
nuts and legumes, and wonder if some of the beans with nearly balanced
omega 6 : omega 3 oils and containing Methionine and Cystine could
possibly substitute for dairy, especially if nutritional yeast and
onion and garlic were added. Has anyone ever successfully tried doing
that?

Nancy

On Jan 31, 2008, at 11:36 AM, Sandra Olson wrote:

> You also mentioned leaving the diet and having it not work a second
> time if the cancer comes back. We can think of it this way. Cancer
> weakens the body. When a healing diet allows the body to recover and
> be well again because of the foods in that diet, we know that there
> are foods that damage and foods that heal. To begin damaging the body
> again by eating unhealthy foods over a period of months weakens the
> body further and the cancer returns. Now the body is in a more
> weakened condition than it was before and it may not respond so well
> to the cancer fighting diet. We have had several members who went off
> the diet after they had gone into remission and were declared cancer
> free. After a few months the cancer did return because the cells were
> not being protected. They were able to get back on the diet and regain
> there health. However, leaving it a third time would be very
> dangerous in my opinon. It would be like a lung cancer patient
> continuing to smoke after having treatments that helped the person
> regain their health.

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Re: [cancercured] Re: Meats have toxins

What are brand names of pancreatic enzymes? Do the Nattozimes and
Serrazimes or Serrapeptase work well for this? What amount would be
taken in one day, and would they be taken on an empty stomach or with
food?

Nancy

On Jan 31, 2008, at 10:02 AM, fishsalmon2001 wrote:

> Both insulin and enzymes are produced in the pancreas and both are
> controlled by a neurological process.
> Dr. Kelley felt that both diabetes and cancer can almost always be
> controlled by proper dosage of insulin (diabetes) and enzymes (cancer).

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Re: [cancercured] Report on 15g/day of epa/dha reversing sarcoma tumors

Please post this to the group, I'm sure many of us are interested.
Then it could be found by searching the archives.

Nancy

On Jan 31, 2008, at 5:55 AM, blakeeugenefrederick wrote:

> Does anyone remember that report from Dr. Ron Pardini that I sent
> out to people requesting it, about the guy who reduced some lung
> tumors by 90% with basically fish oil/algae oil? If you have a copy,
> could you please email me one. I'd appreciate it.

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Re: [cancercured] Cancer and Depression

Al,

Magnesium for major depression:
http://george-eby-research.com/

see the articles on the left side.

Pat

albertrhurt wrote:
Although I have been in remission for several years lately depression
has been one of the major factors in fighting this disease. Other than
lack of natural vitamin D, is there some help out there on the board
through natural methods.

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Re: [cancercured] Did Weston Price Treat Cancer? /was: Meats have toxins-Weston A. Price

IMHO, Weston Price's research is valuable for everyone.
Cancer is not so special a disease as to exclude Weston Price's research.

The importance of Weston Price's research is to show and contrast that
21st century SAD diets are idiotic. That 21st century people's
expectation of UNhealth is WRONG. That great health is our BIRTHRIGHT.
That nature did not mean for us humans to be so UNhealthy. That we must
be doing many idiotic things that make us unhealthy. And with the work
of Pottenger to Weston Price's work, our mucking up of our health is
shown to be MULTIGENERATIONALLY caused.

samhamil55 wrote:
>Hello Karen and Group Members,
>I've been reading the posts on this group for quite some time, but
> haven't posted. Regarding Weston Price, there is no doubt that he
> did some excellent work in studying people and diets in primitive
> tribes. However, it seems to me that what primitive tribes in
> isolated civilizations ate years ago has little to do with what
> someone with cancer in our highly civilized cultures should eat.
> I don't see the point in posting about the diets of primitive tribes
> or the diet recommended by the Weston Price Foundation. Even though
> the WPF has many good recommendations, they are focused on healthy
> people, not people with cancer.
>
> >From reading the purpose of this group, my understanding is that it
> is supposed to be about alternative cancer treatments.
>
> This discussion about whether The China Study or Weston Price offers
> better advice seems out of place here. Neither author worked with
> cancer patients and how to help them overcome the condition.
>
> What I find helpful is information about how people in our complex,
> stress-filled, polluted civilized world have been able to combat
> cancer. I appreciate the messages that others have offered on this
> topic. We all seem to agree that overly-processed, refined food
> products are not good for us. From what I can tell, modern research
> and scientists concerned with health are recommending a plant-centered
> diet with more fruits, vegetables and whole grains. Plus, it's more
> than diet, it's also learning to relax and avoiding stress and
> stressors, developing a philosophy of thinking and feeling positive
> about ourselves and our lives and having a supportive community of
> family and/or friends that we can talk with and enjoy.
> Sam
>

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[cancercured] Cancer and Depression

Hi everyone,

Although I have been in remission for several years lately depression
has been one of the major factors in fighting this disease. Other than
lack of natural vitamin D, is there some help out there on the board
through natural methods.

Thanks,

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Re: [cancercured] Re: Meats have toxins

Regarding pancreas and enzymes.

I used to take pancreatin and wobenzyme as supplements when I was sick.
Then I found out I can get MUCH better REAL enzymes from RAW food. Say
raw milk, raw meat, raw eggs, raw liver, raw fruits. (you can make the
transition by searing your meat). Get organic meat.

The problem is people keep eating cooked food that requires the body to
expend its own enzymes and eventually you go bankrupt.

But if we ate RAW food that brought its OWN enzymes to the party, then
we would have an excess of enzymes instead of a deficit. The excess
enzymes can be used to heal our body.

Also to save on enzymes, eat 1 food at a time. MONO MEALS.

Regards

The Ferris's wrote:
>
> I agree with you about vegetarianism. Dan Raber from www.cancerx.org

> says that 60% of cancer patients die from malnutrition/starvation. So
> his program is very high dosages of enzymes, bloodroot (taken
> internally in tablet form), co-enzyme Q10, minerals and ATP (to reduce
> the lactic acid build up that cancer creates). Their website says that
> cancer happens because the pancreas is not working properly because it
> is the pancreas' job the kill abnormal/cancerous cells. So taking high
> doses of enzymes helps your pancreas and helps you digest foods. My
> Mother has started this program just recently. It is recommended to
> have an organic diet with meat being okay.
> Leea
>
> From: Tad Winiecki
> To: cancercured@yahoogroups.com <mailto:cancercured%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:44 AM
> We've been on the Budwig diet a few months now, vegetarian except for
> Salmon once a week or less. My knee injury has improved markedly and I
> feel good. But I wonder about vegetarian diets and the BP longterm as
> supposedly if you get off the diet eventually when you think you're all
> cured the cancer can return and the diet supposedly won't work again.
> All this is rather anecdotal, I don't know the statistics on this.
> What bothers me is that the Bible seems to warn against people in the
> last days pushing vegetarianism, 1 Timothy 4:1-4. I could take this as
> a warning against cults but how does it apply to a vegetarian diet in
> general, especially over a lifetime? I also have a problem with
> leaving off all supplements indefinitely if we can not know for certain
> that our food contains all the vitamins and minerals we need. Some
> health authorities claim our soils are depleted of minerals and can't
> provide us the trace minerals we need. My experience with taking
> colloidal trace minerals for 14 years as opposed to my brother and
> sisters who have not would bear this out.
> Nancy
>
>

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Re: [cancercured] "The Town of Allopath" A Video from Dr. Mercola

The Town of Allopath is one of the all time greats!
Everyone should see it.
See how the $$$ system is destroying its own people.
See your own part in the self destructive system.
Especially if you are part of the "sick care" system.

breathedeepnow wrote:
>
> http://www.mercola.com/townofallopath/index.htm

> <http://www.mercola.com/townofallopath/index.htm>
>
> It's a bit slow-moving, but it makes a good point, and it is said to be
> upsetting the establishment, which can only be a good thing.
>
> It is similar to the great short video GB posted the other day---a
> cutting satire on the western, 21st century of dealing with dis-ease
> and its cause.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Elliot
>
>

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[cancercured] Budwig Diet /was: Meats have toxins

Hi Nancy,

I'm glad to know that since you've been on the Budwig diet, your
knee injury has improved markedly and you feel good.

Regarding supplements, Dr. Budwig did not forbid them, but she did
say that they would not work to heal cancer unless the cells are able
to take in oxygen and nutrients and the way to make that happen is
through ingesting flaxseed oil and cottage cheese or quark along with
a healthy diet. It's the cold-pressed flax oil that contains
electrons and essential fatty acids that revitalize the cells of the
body and heals them. Just as your knee injury healed after you began
the Budwig diet, so can other cells throughout the body heal with
these foods and fats in the right amounts as long as no damaging foods
or supplements are being ingested.

Dr. Budwig did say that high amounts of antioxidants could negate the
benefits of the flax oil so she warned against taking those and we
had one member of our group who was doing very well and had regained
his health after a diagnosis of teminal cancer, when he began taking
about 30 tablets a day of ellagic acid, an antioxidant. This was
blocking the work of the flax oil. After several months, his symptoms
began to return and his cancer marker scores went up. He then learned
what he was doing wrong and stopped taking the antioxidants. His
health then improved again.

The other problem with some supplements is that they contain various
types of preservatives and many supplements are synthetic, in other
words, they are chemicals. The goal of the Budwig plan is to ingest
natural foods rather than chemicals and preservatives which are
foreign to the body. You mentioned colloidal silver, that's not a
problem.

You also mentioned leaving the diet and having it not work a second
time if the cancer comes back. We can think of it this way. Cancer
weakens the body. When a healing diet allows the body to recover and
be well again because of the foods in that diet, we know that there
are foods that damage and foods that heal. To begin damaging the body
again by eating unhealthy foods over a period of months weakens the
body further and the cancer returns. Now the body is in a more
weakened condition than it was before and it may not respond so well
to the cancer fighting diet. We have had several members who went off
the diet after they had gone into remission and were declared cancer
free. After a few months the cancer did return because the cells were
not being protected. They were able to get back on the diet and regain
there health. However, leaving it a third time would be very
dangerous in my opinon. It would be like a lung cancer patient
continuing to smoke after having treatments that helped the person
regain their health.

I hope this helps to clarify some of the topics you touched on in your
post.

Best wishes,
Sandra

Tad Winiecki wrote:
> We've been on the Budwig diet a few months now, vegetarian except
for Salmon once a week or less. My knee injury has improved markedly
and I feel good. But I wonder about vegetarian diets and the BP
longterm as supposedly if you get off the diet eventually when you
think you're all cured the cancer can return and the diet supposedly
won't work again. All this is rather anecdotal, I don't know the
statistics on this. What bothers me is that the Bible seems to warn
against people in the last days pushing vegetarianism, 1 Timothy 4:1-
4. I could take this as a warning against cults but how does it
apply to a vegetarian diet in general, especially over a lifetime? I
also have a problem with leaving off all supplements indefinitely if
we can not know for certain that our food contains all the vitamins
and minerals we need. Some health authorities claim our soils are
depleted of minerals and can't provide us the trace minerals we
need. My experience with taking colloidal trace minerals for 14
years as opposed to my brother and sisters who have not would bear
this out.
> Nancy

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[cancercured] Re: Meats have toxins

GB -
I'm not sure about the pancreas directly killing cancer cells, but
they are critical in cancer patients ability to metabolize proteins
and thus support the immune system and many other things.This is why
meats are not desired. This inability in a cancer patient, per Dr.
William Kelley, is comparable to a diabetics' inability to metabolize
sugar.Where diabetes is a disorder of carb metabolism due to
inadequate production of insulin, cancer is a disorder of protein
metabolism due to inadequate production or utilization of enzymes.
Both insulin and enzymes are produced in the pancreas and both are
controlled by a neurological process.
Dr. Kelley felt that both diabetes and cancer can almost always be
controlled by proper dosage of insulin (diabetes) and enzymes (cancer).

It's interesting that we don't hear about the pancreas/protein/enzyme
component in the traditional medical fields. Many who approach cancer
alternatively know of Dr. Kelley's work and base their own protocols
off of it. He wrote "One Answer to Cancer" and you can find tons of
his info on the internet explaining it all.

cathy

-------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Leea
>
> Do you have more info about this statement? "pancreas' job the kill
> abnormal/cancerous cells"
> I thought the pancreas' job was metabolism of sugars and fats and
> disgestive enzymes. Maybe I am wrong.
>
> Thanks
> GB

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[cancercured] Report on 15g/day of epa/dha reversing sarcoma tumors

Hello group;

Does anyone remember that report from Dr. Ron Pardini that I sent
out to people requesting it, about the guy who reduced some lung
tumors by 90% with basically fish oil/algae oil? If you have a copy,
could you please email me one. I'd appreciate it.

Sincerely;

Blake

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Re: [cancercured] Re: Meats have toxins

Do locusts and honey count for meat?

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[cancercured] Alpha Lipoic Acid [ALA] - Natural or Synthetic

I was not aware that synthetic Alpha Lipoic Acid [ALA]
was being used in most vitamin etc products. For example,
Swanson SWU136, 300mg, is half natural and half synthetic ALA.

Here's a couple of web sites that give more info on
the subject. Sounds like you do not want the Synthetic
ALA but if you do take it, only for a short period of
time. Am now looking for a source of all natural ALA,
any sources?

http://www.vrp.com/articles.aspx?page=LIST&ProdID=887&qid=&zTYPE=2

http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/alpha-linolenic-000284.htm

http://www.bestcasemedicine.com/Library/StabilizedDHLA.htm

Joe

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[cancercured] Re: Oh So Simple - Exercise NOT an Option

I totally agree with what Elliot told you about exercise. Exercise
is definitely an integral part of health. You are doing your part.
I will say that some exercises are better than others and some
exercises are better for specific people than for others. I admit
that I am biased since I teach yoga. However, some yoga exercises
are specific for some areas of the body and mind. Some are specific
for certain vertebrae, glands, organs, etc. There are some
meditations even for specific parts of the brain such as the
hypothalamus, frontal lobes, integrating both hemispheres. You may
want to reevaluate what exercises you are doing. Walking and running
are good for almost anyone, just like you are doing since they are
great for circulation and aerobic value.

The same way with foods. Some are better for certain organs and
diseases than others. Some people with the same symptom may take the
same supplement and have completely different experiences.

Do keep exercising if you can.

--- In cancercured@yahoogroups.com, Al Hurt <albertrhurt@...> wrote:
>
> My only thought on exercise is to do it. It is by far the best
stress relief that works for me. My diet was very stringent and was
timed through out the day depending on what body groups I was working
on.
>
> I am in still in remission and on a organic diet. My wife and I
are going to join a organic co-op and planning our own garden for
this year. I will start running this year for exercise after I walk
for a few months and build up to it.
>
> I think my thoughts are if it works for you do it, if not do not
stress over it. I think stress will kill you before anything else.
>
> Al

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[cancercured] Re: Meats have toxins

Leea

Do you have more info about this statement? "pancreas' job the kill
abnormal/cancerous cells"
I thought the pancreas' job was metabolism of sugars and fats and
disgestive enzymes. Maybe I am wrong.

Thanks
GB

--- In cancercured@yahoogroups.com, "The Ferris's" <ferris@...> wrote:
>
> I agree with you about vegetarianism. Dan Raber from

www.cancerx.org says that 60% of cancer patients die from
malnutrition/starvation. So his program is very high dosages of
enzymes, bloodroot (taken internally in tablet form), co-enzyme Q10,
minerals and ATP (to reduce the lactic acid build up that cancer
creates). Their website says that cancer happens because the pancreas
is not working properly because it is the pancreas' job the kill
abnormal/cancerous cells. So taking high doses of enzymes helps your
pancreas and helps you digest foods. My Mother has started this
program just recently. It is recommended to have an organic diet
with meat being okay.
> Leea

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[cancercured] Re: Meats have toxins

nancy

Wasn't John the Baptist a vegetarian?

--- In cancercured@yahoogroups.com, Tad Winiecki <winiecki@...> wrote:
>
> We've been on the Budwig diet a few months now, vegetarian except
for
> Salmon once a week or less. My knee injury has improved markedly
and I
> feel good. But I wonder about vegetarian diets and the BP longterm
as
> supposedly if you get off the diet eventually when you think you're
all
> cured the cancer can return and the diet supposedly won't work
again.
> All this is rather anecdotal, I don't know the statistics on this.
> What bothers me is that the Bible seems to warn against people in
the
> last days pushing vegetarianism, 1 Timothy 4:1-4. I could take
this as
> a warning against cults but how does it apply to a vegetarian diet
in
> general, especially over a lifetime? I also have a problem with
> leaving off all supplements indefinitely if we can not know for
certain
> that our food contains all the vitamins and minerals we need. Some
> health authorities claim our soils are depleted of minerals and
can't
> provide us the trace minerals we need. My experience with taking
> colloidal trace minerals for 14 years as opposed to my brother and
> sisters who have not would bear this out.
>
> Nancy

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Re: [cancercured] Oh So Simple - Exercise NOT an Option

Exercise helps of course. Imagine if you weren't exercising. As far as
cancer is concerned, there are many other factors: diet, exercise,
pollutants, medications, radiation, constipation, sunlight, water,
etc., etc.

Al Hurt wrote:
>
> Hi Elliot,
>
> I was working out with weights four times a week and walking every day
> and still got Colon Cancer. Granted I was not on the Budwig Protocol
> and I was a little stressed out. No history of Cancer in my family.
> Sometimes on this board I feel like we all need to be the Bubble Boy
> and just stay in our little world. What works for one does not work
> for all.
>
> Just my two cents
>
> Al
>
> breathedeepnow wrote:
> ...a couple saying that we all MUST exercise, if possible...WE NEED TO
> MOVE OUR BODIES. The couple said that 50% of colon cancer can be
> avoided if people just do 30 minutes of moderate exercise 5 days a week!
>
>
>

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[cancercured] Was Meats have toxins/now Budwig not working second time around?

Hi,

I couldn't find the original message but saw that the paragraph below was posted. Why wouldn't the budwig protocol work the second time around? It either helps fight cancer or not, surely?

Thanks for any clarification that can be given on this!

Marti

>
> From: Tad Winiecki
> To: cancercured@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:44 AM
> We've been on the Budwig diet a few months now, vegetarian except for
> Salmon once a week or less. My knee injury has improved markedly and I
> feel good. But I wonder about vegetarian diets and the BP longterm as
> supposedly if you get off the diet eventually when you think you're all
> cured the cancer can return and the diet supposedly won't work again.
> All this is rather anecdotal, I don't know the statistics on this.
> What bothers me is that the Bible seems to warn against people in the
> last days pushing vegetarianism, 1 Timothy 4:1-4. I could take this as
> a warning against cults but how does it apply to a vegetarian diet in
> general, especially over a lifetime? I also have a problem with
> leaving off all supplements indefinitely if we can not know for certain
> that our food contains all the vitamins and minerals we need. Some
> health authorities claim our soils are depleted of minerals and can't
> provide us the trace minerals we need. My experience with taking
> colloidal trace minerals for 14 years as opposed to my brother and
> sisters who have not would bear this out.
> Nancy
>

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[cancercured] Re: Oh So Simple - Exercise NOT an Option

Al, you are RIGHT ON, without a doubt, in my book about STRESS. It is
THE WORST FACTOR OF ALL for me. I believe if I had not gotten myself
into high stress situations, I might have remained in remission up till
now. Because of those stressful, AVOIDABLE situations, I have had two
recurrences, but am now in remission and am ON GUARD against
unnecessary negative stress.

GREAT WORK getting the nasty thing into remission. Even Readers Digest
says those who eat a good diet and exercise have far less chance of
colon cancer recurrence.

Best of health!

Elliot

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Re: [cancercured] Metabolic Types/was Re: Meats have toxins

At 11:16 AM 1/30/2008, Elliot wrote:
>Also, how were all those different types of metabolisms figured? One
>would have to study very large groups of people for very long times
>in order to be able to make anything close to such definitive
>statements about the so-called "types" of metabolisms and their
>components. Could you please tell me where I can go to see what must
>necessarily be the tremendous compendium of documentation that was
>done in order to allow such comprehensive, detailed conclusions to be
>reached?

Hi Elliot,
I don't have time to answer all your questions and points right now.
But here goes on what I have time for at the moment ...
Dr. Kelley cured himself of cancer, and then word spread and people
began flocking to him for treatment. Kelley wrote:
"In the 35 years since I cured myself of terminal pancreatic cancer
and guided some 33,000 cancer victims to health ..."
http://www.whale.to/a/kelley.html
That links to 143 pages of "One Answer to Cancer"
and includes this informative section on the metabolic types
http://www.whale.to/a/kelley.html#*Chapter%20VIII*

Others have come up with various systems of metabolic typing, usually
building on those who came before them.
http://www.frot.co.nz/dietnet/reviews/metabolic_diets.htm [snippet quotes]
"Dr George Watson (in"Nutrition and your mind")"
"Rudolph Wiley (His original book Biobalance has now been replaced
with
<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0943685338/debsfoodnutriweb>"Biobalance2")
carried on with Watson's research."
"James and Peter D'adamo developed the
<http://www.frot.co.nz/dietnet/reviews/eatright.htm>blood type theory
to explain the differences, and discovered the impact that lectins
can have on health."
"William Kelley
(<http://www.frot.co.nz/dietnet/reviews/metabolic_typing.htm>"The
Metabolic Typing Diet" by William Wolcott) discovered the different
diets required ..."
"Another book, which is as yet unpublished, is by Robert McFerran."

This is a pretty good beginning review of Kelley's system:
http://www.frot.co.nz/dietnet/reviews/metabolic_typing.htm
[quote] There are 8 different components of metabolic typing, the
most important being how balanced the autonomic nervous system (ANS)
is, and the oxidation rate. Dr Kelley discovered the different
metabolic types after he cured himself of cancer with a vegetarian
diet, but found his wife needed a high protein diet when she
developed a chronic illness. He found that many people had imbalances
in the ANS, some being parasympathetic dominant (ie. the sympathetic
was weak) and some being sympathetic dominant, while some were more balanced.
If a person was sympathetic dominant, a vegetarian or high carb diet
strengthened the parasympathetic side, bringing the person into
balance. A parasympathetic dominant needed a high protein, low carb
diet to come back into balance. A person who was fairly balanced
needed a more mixed diet with a wider range of nutrients to stay in
balance. This system worked well for most people, but there were some
who didn't thrive on it.
Wolcott then came across the research done by George Watson on
oxidation rates. Those Watson called fast oxidisers (who burned
carbohydrate very quickly) needed a high protein diet, like
parasympathetic dominants. Slow oxidisers needed a diet like the
sympathetic dominants. In most cases, parasympathetic dominants are
fast oxidisers, and sympathetic dominants are slow oxidisers, so the
diets match. A person who is fairly balanced in both areas is termed
a Mixed Absolute and needs a mixed diet. [End quote]

>Here is a site on wikipedia that very significantly calls into
>question Weston A. Price's theories:
><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Weston_A._Price_Foundation>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Weston_A._Price_Foundation

OK, I see a few people of unknown credentials debating with each
other over the content of a wiki entry.
Since I have spent a good deal of time studying the work Dr. Price,
the arguments of the
Price supporters are more logical to me.
What you mention about Byrnes, to discredit the work of Price, is an
irrelevant and illogical conclusion,
as the discussion at that link points out.

>Among other things, it says that one particularly distinguished
>member of the Weston A. Price Foundation died at quite a young age---
>somewhere between 35 and 50---of a stroke.

Dr. Stephen Byrnes -- and it goes on to say he died of AIDS.
So a little search turns up this page about how vegans have use the
stroke at age 41, likely caused by AIDS mainstream treatment to
discredit him and his work, and by association, the work of Dr. Price.
http://wisewitch.blogspot.com/2006/03/vegans-lies-and-death-of-dr-stephen.html

Elliott you share some very good information on these discussion
lists and you are most helpful to people.
When a person gets cancer these "distortive" diets can very much help them.
But a 100% vegan diet is not healthy for 100% of the people 100% of the time.
Some people do quite well on it long-term, some only for a short
time, and some never.
It depends on your genetics. I am of Northern European ancestry and
my system does not do well on a Polynesian diet.
People have nearly killed themselves trying to stay on a diet that at
first really helped them.
Chet Day for one.
http://chetday.com/hallelujah-diet-dangers.htm
And others http://beyondveg.com/.
Some vegetarians say meat-eating leads to violence, but the beyondveg
site points to some very violent behavior by vegetarians, for lack of
enough nutritional support for the nervous system.

It only took two people for Dr. Kelley to figure that not everyone is
suited to the same diet.
He got well on a vegetarian diet and he practically killed his wife
before he finally gave her a spoonful of meat broth.
I read the Metabolic Typing Diet by William Wolcott
http://www.frot.co.nz/dietnet/reviews/metabolic_typing.htm

Each person really must go by how they feel on a diet, and change
when necessary. And a good many of can do well on less animal protein
and fat, and more raw produce.

The Price Foundation supports a return to producing animal and
vegetable foodstuff's for people that are as free from toxins as
possible and where the plants and animals are treated humanely and
fed the nutrients and foods they are meant to uptake/eat, not stuffed
up on chemicals and grains for a quick trip to market. http://westonaprice.org.

I hope these links help expand your view on the topic.
Karen

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[cancercured] Did Weston Price Treat Cancer? /was: Meats have toxins-Weston A. Price

Hello Karen and Group Members,

I've been reading the posts on this group for quite some time, but
haven't posted. Regarding Weston Price, there is no doubt that he
did some excellent work in studying people and diets in primitive
tribes. However, it seems to me that what primitive tribes in
isolated civilizations ate years ago has little to do with what
someone with cancer in our highly civilized cultures should eat.

I don't see the point in posting about the diets of primitive tribes
or the diet recommended by the Weston Price Foundation. Even though
the WPF has many good recommendations, they are focused on healthy
people, not people with cancer.

From reading the purpose of this group, my understanding is that it
is supposed to be about alternative cancer treatments.

This discussion about whether The China Study or Weston Price offers
better advice seems out of place here. Neither author worked with cancer patients and how to help them overcome the condition.

What I find helpful is information about how people in our complex, stress-filled, polluted civilized world have been able to combat cancer. I appreciate the messages that others have offered on this topic. We all seem to agree that overly-processed, refined food products are not good for us. From what I can tell, modern research and scientists concerned with health are recommending a plant-centered diet with more fruits, vegetables and whole grains. Plus, it's more than diet, it's also learning to relax and avoiding stress and stressors, developing a philosophy of thinking and feeling positive about ourselves and our lives and having a supportive community of family and/or friends that we can talk with and enjoy.

Sam

In cancercured, Karen Eck wrote:
> Hi Elliot,
> Dr. Weston A Price was a dentist and a scientist.
> The two are not exclusive of each other.
> He studied real people, primitive tribes isolated from civilization.
> And the really healthy people he studied ate meat,
> in fact, they highly valued it, esp. the organs and the fat.
> No group was 100% vegan. The problem Price found was when these
people started eating the processed and devitalized foods of
the "civilized diet." These people ate meat and had close to zero of
all diseases, **including cancer** and mental illness.
> Sure some primitive groups have diseases and are not healthy,

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Re: [cancercured] Re: Meats have toxins

I agree with you about vegetarianism. Dan Raber from www.cancerx.org says that 60% of cancer patients die from malnutrition/starvation. So his program is very high dosages of enzymes, bloodroot (taken internally in tablet form), co-enzyme Q10, minerals and ATP (to reduce the lactic acid build up that cancer creates). Their website says that cancer happens because the pancreas is not working properly because it is the pancreas' job the kill abnormal/cancerous cells. So taking high doses of enzymes helps your pancreas and helps you digest foods. My Mother has started this program just recently. It is recommended to have an organic diet with meat being okay.
Leea

From: Tad Winiecki
To: cancercured@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:44 AM
We've been on the Budwig diet a few months now, vegetarian except for
Salmon once a week or less. My knee injury has improved markedly and I
feel good. But I wonder about vegetarian diets and the BP longterm as
supposedly if you get off the diet eventually when you think you're all
cured the cancer can return and the diet supposedly won't work again.
All this is rather anecdotal, I don't know the statistics on this.
What bothers me is that the Bible seems to warn against people in the
last days pushing vegetarianism, 1 Timothy 4:1-4. I could take this as
a warning against cults but how does it apply to a vegetarian diet in
general, especially over a lifetime? I also have a problem with
leaving off all supplements indefinitely if we can not know for certain
that our food contains all the vitamins and minerals we need. Some
health authorities claim our soils are depleted of minerals and can't
provide us the trace minerals we need. My experience with taking
colloidal trace minerals for 14 years as opposed to my brother and
sisters who have not would bear this out.
Nancy

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Re: [cancercured] Re: Meats have toxins

I must correct a paraphrase of what I cover in my discourses. A
"healthy, balanced diet" needed for children and aspiring athletes is
an ANABOLIC diet. This is not a cancer- killing diet. A
cancer-killing diet gives adequate nutrition for normal,
differentiated cells, and at the same time starves cancer cells
because of the differences in biochemical pathways -- especially in
energy production. This is a general rule, but there are exceptions
such as the productive use of tumor promoters when using some
distortive therapies such as those capitalize on the rapid mitosis of
aggressive cancers. Examples might be the use of sugar or glutamine
with some IPT protocols.

Vincent

At 02:44 PM 1/30/2008, you wrote:

>We've been on the Budwig diet a few months now, vegetarian except for
>Salmon once a week or less. My knee injury has improved markedly and I
>feel good. But I wonder about vegetarian diets and the BP longterm as
>supposedly if you get off the diet eventually when you think you're all
>cured the cancer can return and the diet supposedly won't work again.
>All this is rather anecdotal, I don't know the statistics on this.
>What bothers me is that the Bible seems to warn against people in the
>last days pushing vegetarianism, 1 Timothy 4:1-4. I could take this as
>a warning against cults but how does it apply to a vegetarian diet in
>general, especially over a lifetime? I also have a problem with
>leaving off all supplements indefinitely if we can not know for certain
>that our food contains all the vitamins and minerals we need. Some
>health authorities claim our soils are depleted of minerals and can't
>provide us the trace minerals we need. My experience with taking
>colloidal trace minerals for 14 years as opposed to my brother and
>sisters who have not would bear this out.
>
>Nancy
>
>On Jan 30, 2008, at 12:07 AM, Karen Eck wrote:
>
> > primitive peoples eating from the land and sea
> > where they live have 10, 20 and 50 times the
> > nutrient content of modern grocery store food.
> >
> > Vincent has said that in countries where people
> > are malnourished there is very little cancer. So
> > over-eating and outright gluttony also play a
> > part in growing cancers.The diet Vincent advised
> > my aunt to eat was low protein, low sugar, low
> > calorie, no meat, lots of veges and some grains,
> > a little bit of fruit. Vincent also says that the
> > one thing all the cancer diets have in common is
> > that they are "distortive," and so in some way
> > they exploit a metabolic difference in the cancer
> > cells. Cancer diets are not the balanced,
> > catabolic diets needed by growing children and
> > healthy people. Even people eating vegan all their lives can get
> > cancer.

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[cancercured] Re: Oh So Simple - Exercise NOT an Option

My only thought on exercise is to do it. It is by far the best stress relief that works for me. My diet was very stringent and was timed through out the day depending on what body groups I was working on.

I am in still in remission and on a organic diet. My wife and I are going to join a organic co-op and planning our own garden for this year. I will start running this year for exercise after I walk for a few months and build up to it.

I think my thoughts are if it works for you do it, if not do not stress over it. I think stress will kill you before anything else.

Al

-

breathedeepnow <aug20@mtco.com> wrote:
Hi, Al.
I certainly am sorry that you feel you were doing your best to be
healthy (KUDOS to you!), but that you were diagnosed with colon cancer anyway. I expect that if you were walking and training with weights that you were also more careful about your diet than the average person. But surely you are not suggesting, are you, that because you were diagnosed with colon cancer even though you were exercising, that it makes no difference whether we exercise or not?...

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[cancercured] "The Town of Allopath" A Video from Dr. Mercola

http://www.mercola.com/townofallopath/index.htm

It's a bit slow-moving, but it makes a good point, and it is said to be
upsetting the establishment, which can only be a good thing.

It is similar to the great short video GB posted the other day---a
cutting satire on the western, 21st century of dealing with dis-ease
and its cause.

Best wishes,

Elliot

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[cancercured] Probiotics

Out just today from a British news source and OMG!!!

"The researchers said their results were proof that "extremely ill"
people should avoid probiotics, and the Dutch Food and Consumer
Product Safety Authority has ruled that supplements should not be
given to patients in intensive care, those with organ failure or
anyone being fed through a drip."

Doctors at the University Medical Centre in Utrecht, Holland, reported
that 24 out of 296 patients died during a study to find out whether
friendly bacteria - known as probiotics - affected inflammation of the
pancreas.

Bon appestat
Bill

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Re: [cancercured] Re: Meats have toxins

We've been on the Budwig diet a few months now, vegetarian except for
Salmon once a week or less. My knee injury has improved markedly and I
feel good. But I wonder about vegetarian diets and the BP longterm as
supposedly if you get off the diet eventually when you think you're all
cured the cancer can return and the diet supposedly won't work again.
All this is rather anecdotal, I don't know the statistics on this.
What bothers me is that the Bible seems to warn against people in the
last days pushing vegetarianism, 1 Timothy 4:1-4. I could take this as
a warning against cults but how does it apply to a vegetarian diet in
general, especially over a lifetime? I also have a problem with
leaving off all supplements indefinitely if we can not know for certain
that our food contains all the vitamins and minerals we need. Some
health authorities claim our soils are depleted of minerals and can't
provide us the trace minerals we need. My experience with taking
colloidal trace minerals for 14 years as opposed to my brother and
sisters who have not would bear this out.

Nancy

On Jan 30, 2008, at 12:07 AM, Karen Eck wrote:

> primitive peoples eating from the land and sea
> where they live have 10, 20 and 50 times the
> nutrient content of modern grocery store food.
>
> Vincent has said that in countries where people
> are malnourished there is very little cancer. So
> over-eating and outright gluttony also play a
> part in growing cancers.The diet Vincent advised
> my aunt to eat was low protein, low sugar, low
> calorie, no meat, lots of veges and some grains,
> a little bit of fruit. Vincent also says that the
> one thing all the cancer diets have in common is
> that they are "distortive," and so in some way
> they exploit a metabolic difference in the cancer
> cells. Cancer diets are not the balanced,
> catabolic diets needed by growing children and
> healthy people. Even people eating vegan all their lives can get
> cancer.

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[cancercured] Re: Meats have toxins--Weston A. Price - Scientist?

At 11:16 AM 1/30/2008, you wrote:
>Hi, Karen.
>Weston A. Price was a dentist, not a scientist.

Hi Elliot,

Dr. Weston A Price was a dentist and a scientist.
The two are not exclusive of each other.
He studied real people, primitive tribes isolated from civilization.
And the really healthy people he studied ate meat,
in fact, they highly valued it, esp. the organs and the fat.
No group was 100% vegan. The problem Price found
was when these people started eating
the processed and devitalized foods of the "civilized diet."
These people ate meat and had close to zero of all diseases,
**including cancer** and mental illness.
Sure some primitive groups have diseases and are not healthy,
but Price saw all kinds of disease in America.
He made note of the sickly ones and moved on.
He went on his journey because he wanted to know what made people healthy.
He scientifically documented what they ate, etc.
and took lots of photos as part of the documentation.
Here's another mind expanding article.
http://www.mercola.com/2001/jan/21/weston_price.htm
[quote]Price often found that the health problems
were caused by food shortages (especially a lack
of animal products), droughts, things people
living off the land must face from time to time,
or contact with white European civilization. "

Did you read the link I posted that summaries his work on this?
Nutrition and Weston A. Price by Ron Schmid, N.D., ©2003
Dr. Schmid considers that Dr. Price was a scientist. (* added to quote)
http://www.drrons.com/nutrition-westonaprice.htm
[quote]In studying the dietaries of the native
people, Price collected over 10,000 samples of
native foods. He sent them back to America for
analysis in his laboratories. *Price was quite a
scientist*. He was one of the pioneers in
developing assays for vitamins A and D in the
1920's. He wrote a textbook on dentistry that was
on every United States naval vessel throughout
the 1920's. His publications of his studies of
problems associated with root canals, first
published in the 1920s, were rediscovered 70
years later, and became the basis for the recent
book Root Canal Cover-Up. (That's another story
that I just don't have time to go into now.) His
articles appeared in dental journals throughout
the twenties and thirties. His classic book,
<http://www.ppnf.org>Nutrition and Physical
Degeneration, was required reading in Harvard
anthropology classes for many years. The point is
that this man was truly an incredible scientist. [end quote]

His most famous book is online!
If you print it out it's 341 pages. For starters
just scroll through and look at the pictures and read the captions.
Nutrition and Physical Degeneration by Weston A Price
http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200251h.html

I like the later chapters, esp Chap 17
Its so important for parents to have good
nutrition for at least 1 year before conceiving a child.
Both parents.

XV.
<http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200251h.html#ch15>Characteristics
of Primitive and Modernized Dietaries
XVI.
<http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200251h.html#ch16>Primitive
Control of Dental Caries

XVII.
<http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200251h.html#ch17>One
Origin of Physical Deformities

XVIII.
<http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200251h.html#ch18>Prenatal
Nutritional Deformities and Disease Types
XIX.
<http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200251h.html#ch19>Physical,
Mental and Moral Deterioration
XX.
<http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200251h.html#ch20>Soil
Depletion and Plant and Animal Deterioration
XXI.
<http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200251h.html#ch21>Practical
Applications of Primitive Wisdom

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[cancercured] Fw: Cell Phones and Tumors: Set Interphone Free

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Subject: Cell Phones and Tumors: Set Interphone Free

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It¹s time to end the deadlock. It¹s time to release the results of the
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Microwave News has learned that a completed draft of the results was
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Many observers believe that the Interphone study points to a long-term risk
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Any further delay would be close to scandalous.

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[cancercured] Re: Correction/Meats have toxins

Correction
That should be *anabolic* "diets needed by
growing children and healthy people."
Catabolic is destructive metabolism.

Dern it, I get those two words mixed up like so many
people use *except* instead of *accept* - which is totally
opposite.

I previously mistakenly wrote:
>catabolic diets needed by growing children and
>healthy people.

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[cancercured] Re: Oh So Simple - Exercise NOT an Option

Hi, Al.

I certainly am sorry that you feel you were doing your best to be
healthy (KUDOS to you!), but that you were diagnosed with colon cancer
anyway. I expect that if you were walking and training with weights
that you were also more careful about your diet than the average
person. But surely you are not suggesting, are you, that because you
were diagnosed with colon cancer even though you were exercising,
that it makes no difference whether we exercise or not?

Certainly there are no guarantees. People who statistics and research
say should not get sick still get sick.

My post was not meant to apply to every single particular individual.
I posted it more as a significant reason why the United States
is a generally sick country---because the population as a whole is
far too sedentary.

How are you doing, by the way? Are you in remission? Please let me/us
know how you are faring.

Best wishes and best of health,

Elliot

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[cancercured] Re: Meats have toxins--Weston A. Price - Scientist?

Hi, Karen.

Weston A. Price was a dentist, not a scientist.

Also, how were all those different types of metabolisms figured? One
would have to study very large groups of people for very long times
in order to be able to make anything close to such definitive
statements about the so-called "types" of metabolisms and their
components. Could you please tell me where I can go to see what must
necessarily be the tremendous compendium of documentation that was
done in order to allow such comprehensive, detailed conclusions to be
reached?

Here is a site on wikipedia that very significantly calls into
question Weston A. Price's theories:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Weston_A._Price_Foundation

Among other things, it says that one particularly distinguished
member of the Weston A. Price Foundation died at quite a young age---
somewhere between 35 and 50---of a stroke.

While T. Colin Campbell, who is a scientist, and Weston A. Price, who
was a dentist, agree that native and third world people who change
their diet from what they normally eat to what westerners eat do
develop degenerative dis-eases they did not previously get, Dr.
Campbell gives extraordinarily well-documented evidence that the
reason for such is different than what Weston A. Price supposes.

Indigenous peoples do, by the way, develop horrible dis-eases such as
yaws, leprosy, fevers, malaria, etc.

Something I find extraordinarily suspect about Weston A. Price is the
experiment he supposedly did of implanting the teeth from root canals
under the skins of rabbits, and seeing the rabbits develop the dis-
ease the person with the root canal had. He is supposed to have done
5,000 of these, at a time when people did not know root canals might
be dangerous. Since a root canal is done to save the tooth, I cannot
imagine where he managed to find 5,000 people willing to have their
root canal teeth removed. I also find the idea that the rabbits
developed the dis-ease the people with the root canals had to be
unbelievable. Also, not only did he have to find 5,000 people willing
to have their root canal teeth removed, those people also had to have
some kind of degenerative dis-ease.

Again, please go to this link and read, please:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Weston_A._Price_Foundation

Elliot

Karen Eck wrote:
> Elliot, Everything today is polluted with toxins
> - even vegetables. Traditional diets of healthy
> primitive people include meat, esp organ meats
> and the animal fat. When asked why they ate
> those, they said because they make perfect
> babies. Those people were documented to be almost
> 100% healthy. Very little of each: tooth decay,
> crooked teeth, physical illness, cancer, mental
> illness, no crime, no police. Here is a good summary
> http://www.drrons.com/nutrition-westonaprice.htm
> of the work done by the superb scientist Weston A
> Price, done in the 1920s and 1930s that shows the
> real culprit in ill health is processed and
> refined foods. When civilization encroached upon
> these superbly healthy peoples and they began
> eating "white man's foods" they got all the same
> diseases we suffer from. When sent back to the
> tribe and away from the devitalized white man's
> diet, their health was restored. The foods of
> primitive peoples eating from the land and sea
> where they live have 10, 20 and 50 times the
> nutrient content of modern grocery store food.
>
> Vincent has said that in countries where people
> are malnourished there is very little cancer. So
> over-eating and outright gluttony also play a
> part in growing cancers.The diet Vincent advised
> my aunt to eat was low protein, low sugar, low
> calorie, no meat, lots of veges and some grains,
> a little bit of fruit. Vincent also says that the
> one thing all the cancer diets have in common is
> that they are "distortive," and so in some way
> they exploit a metabolic difference in the cancer
> cells. Cancer diets are not the balanced,
> catabolic diets needed by growing children and
> healthy people. Even people eating vegan all their
lives can get cancer....

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Re: [cancercured] Oh So Simple - Exercise NOT an Option

Hi Elliot,

I was working out with weights four times a week and walking every day and still got Colon Cancer. Granted I was not on the Budwig Protocol and I was a little stressed out. No history of Cancer in my family. Sometimes on this board I feel like we all need to be the Bubble Boy and just stay in our little world. What works for one does not work for all.

Just my two cents

breathedeepnow wrote:
...a couple saying that we all MUST exercise, if possible...WE NEED TO MOVE OUR BODIES. The couple said that 50% of colon cancer can be avoided if people just do 30 minutes of moderate exercise 5 days a week!

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