Kamis, 03 Juli 2008

Re: [cancercured] Re: Glutamine during chemo... Good or bad?? - Vincent

On Jul 3, 2008, at 9:33 AM, gvence wrote:

> Hi Nancy,
>
> I have been taking LDN for two months, but stoped when I started chemo.
> I'll get on with it again.
> Thank you.
> Gloria

Gloria- Here are some posts from the LDN group about taking LDN with
chemo. Dudley thought it wouldn't do any good but Dee and others
think it will help mitigate the bad effects of the chemo, and Dr.
Bihari supported that.

Blessings, Nancy

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From: deealejo@yahoo.com
Subject: [LDN_4_cancer] LDN and chemo
Date: November 21, 2007 5:29:18 AM PST
To: LDN_4_cancer@yahoogroups.com
Reply-To: LDN_4_cancer@yahoogroups.com

The chemo used for MS is different than cancer.

Dr. Bihari said explicitely that chemotherapy treatment can be used
with LDN. Chemotherapy destroys your immune system and LDN will
lessen the damage.

Dudley is wrong when discussing the issue of chemotherapy for cancer.
MS chemotherapy is different and Dr Lawrence reference is for MS
treatment.

We who have had chemotherapy and those who have use LDN with
chemotherapy on this board know the benefits that LDN has provided with
the healing and restoring of our immune systems back to normal.

Jerry's wife just finished a grueling session with Chemotherapy and
supported the treatment with LDN. Her recovery is felt due to the
fact that LDN was used with the chemotherapy.

I was told to take LDN with chemotherapy if I elected to take it. MS
is another disease and should be confined to MS and LDN board. It is
harmful to discuss treatments here that are not fully accurate and
factually wrong.

Dee
www.ldn4cancer.com

<<<<<<Dudley wrote:

Celia,

Dr. Lawrence and the authors of the MS study are saying that
immunosuppressants should NOT be taken with LDN. The reason is, as I
have tried to indicate, they work AGAINST each other. That means LDN
cannot effectively build immunity while it is being opposed by an
immunosuppressant. It's like trying to drive a car with the brakes on.

Dudley
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From: DudleyDelany@webtv.net
Subject: Re: [LDN_4_cancer] LDN and chemo
Date: November 21, 2007 5:53:06 AM PST

Dee,

The action of chemotherapy is NOT different, whether it's being used to
treat MS, cancer, or anything else. It always opposes the immune
upregulating ability of LDN, regardless of what disease a person has.

Jerry's wife used LDN after completing, not during, chemo.

Chemo can be used with LDN in the sense that it won't make you sick the
way it does with opiates. As far as it being of any real value is
concerned, however, I seriously doubt it. There is no evidence that LDN
with chemo will lessen the damage wrought by chemo. It is far more
likely that the chemo will abrogate any value one might have gained
from using the LDN.

LDN is great AFTER chemo for healing the immune system, but DURING
chemo it is probably worthless.

Dudley
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From: deealejo@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [LDN_4_cancer] Re: Seeking funding
Date: December 12, 2007 10:08:57 PM PST
To: LDN_4_cancer@yahoogroups.com
Reply-To: LDN_4_cancer@yahoogroups.com

Hello Jan,

If you look at it from his view point "trials"
double blind trials, placebo controled trials in 3
phases...

All trials done with chemotherapy drugs and have
passed FDA and now regularly used are total
failures. 75% of all oncologists said if they
themselves had cancer, they wouldn't use chemotherapy.
These are the same drugs that have 'had trials, peer
reviewed, passed and are used on us daily with dismal
failure. I am one of them....

So trials are useless and just a "wall' put up for the
medical establishment to not embrace alternatives. SO
many successes with alternatives and yes, anecdotal
but a success...nevertheless. I don't see any
success rates with incureable cancer with
chemotherapy. Only death rates.

I have lost all my internet mates this year now who
went the chemotherapy route and didn't look into
alternatives. All of them.. I had 11 people who all
started with me basically and all are dead.

So unless Dr, Hamlin contract incureable cancer I
think the subject is mute with him.

Dee
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LarryGC <larrygc@...> wrote:
To: <lowdosenaltrexone@yahoogroups.com>
From: "LarryGC" <larrygc@...>
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 08:16:06 -0400
Subject: Re: [lowdosenaltrexone] Re: fwiw: My Dad's last CT scan! Docs
are still stumped :)

I know I mentioned it a few times in the last year.  The doc
prescribing the LDN said LDN would do fine with the chemo they were
doing on my Dad, and apparently she was right.
 
From my perspective, you can take LDN with anything...  it just may not
work as well as it may if you took it Alone.
 
At 83 1/2, my dad was not going to forego the chemo, but we convinced
him to do the LDN also.
 
Given he was on LDN for 6 months with chemo, and his tumors shrunk in
half, and then 6 more months of JUST LDN, and his tumors are STILL
shrinking more, I'd say he may have done better on JUST LDN... but who
can say that?
 
The oncologists said they NEVER saw these results on just their chemo. 
They were surprised back in Sept, and even more so now, 6 months Off
the chemo.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jacquelyn Redford
To: lowdosenaltrexone@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 04:41
Subject: [lowdosenaltrexone] Re: fwiw: My Dad's last CT scan! Docs are
still stumped :)

--- In lowdosenaltrexone@yahoogroups.com, "LarryGC" <larrygc@...> wrote:
>
> As soon as he got the DX, I got my sister talking to a doc about it. 
He was in the hospital, got the DX, they told him the chemo they were
going to do, the LDN doc said he could do LDN with that chemo, they got
him going on LDN, they were doing chemo on Tuesday's.....
>

Well now I'm totally confused! I thought it was advised NOT to take and
immunosuppressant as it would be contraindicated with LDN.
I was told to stop methotrexate - which is taken at a much lower dosage
for RA than for chemo.
Please explain.


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